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Runway de-icer, ARFF truck equipmentquestions

I forwarded the information to my Airport Manager who is much more familiar with the current advisory circulars than I.  He provided the following insight…

Looking at the AC for ARFF vehicle specifications 150/5220-10D, yes they removed “clothing and tools” directly from this AC.  However, there is an AC for ARFF equipment, tools and clothing (150/5210-14B) which specifies among other things, SCBA’s.  This should make such equipment AIP eligible.


Benjamin Vardiman, ACE
Airport Manager
Prescott Municipal Airport
Ernest A. Love Field
6546 Crystal Lane
Prescott, AZ 86301
Office: (928)-777-1114
Fax: (928)-771-5861

 Mary Catherine Tennant, Airport Management Analyst

Prescott Municipal Airport, Ernest A. Love Field

6546 Crystal Lane, Prescott, AZ  86301

Office 928/777-1114, Fax 928/771-5861


Please note as of November 22, 2008 my email address changed to mc.tennant@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

From: help-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:help-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robert Grierson
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:25 PM
To: help@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: CAA: Mutual Help List, Runway de-icer, ARFF truck equipment questions


In DBQ we ran into the same issue with E-36. Our provider cited potash labor disputes as the primary culprit. The alternative to E-36 wasn't FAA approved which made us pretty nervous and luckily we didn't need to buy any. Now that the labor issue has been resolved, we've been told that the price for E-36 will drop a little, but not to its previous levels. Regretfully, for a 139 airport in the snow belt, there aren't many options and we have only 5 months until snow season begins again. Yahoo!


As for the FAA on the AC, I hadn't heard that, and although we won't buy a new ARFF vehicle for a few more years, I'd like to see how this shakes out.



Robert A. Grierson, A.A.E.

Dubuque Regional Airport

Airport Manager

11000 Airport Road

Dubuque Iowa 52003

(563) 589-4128 Office


>>> <Richard.Stein@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 5/4/2009 8:45 AM >>>

Everyone -

I've been requested to research other airport's experiences, and get any input, on the following questions:

        1.        Now that snow season is over in central Virginia, it's time to refill our E-36 deicer fluid tanks.  We've used 3,700 gallons this season.  However,                 we originally budgeted $8,000 for the refill, but the proposed cost from the manufacturer is $35,000.  We have an alternative fluid that would cost                 only $25,000.  My Airport Director would like additional input from other airports to see if anyone else had this happen to them, along with any                 possible solutions to lower the cost, and any explanation of why the cost jumped so much in one year.

        2.        The second item is the purchase of a new ARFF truck - which is due to arrive in July.  Originally, various equipment to outfit the truck was                         specified in the older AC for ARFF truck purchases, making them eligible for FAA funding.  Now the FAA is saying that the new AC has                         removed the specifications for the equipment which now makes equipment not AIP eligible.  We're planning on following a middle course of                 moving some equipment from truck to truck, but the major purchase is the airpacks which run about $5K apiece.   The change in the AC is                         causing us some problems because we originally budgeted the equipment to be AIP eligible.  I have been asked to research if any other                         airports are going through the same issues and how they responded.

Thanks for your help with researching my questions.

Richard M. Stein, A.A.E.
Deputy Airport Director, Operations and Maintenance
Lynchburg Regional Airport
4308 Wards Road, Suite 100
Lynchburg, VA  24502
(434) 455-6088
(434) 239-9027 (fax)




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