I forwarded the information to my Airport
Manager who is much more familiar with the current advisory circulars than I.
He provided the following insight…
Looking at the AC for ARFF vehicle
specifications 150/5220-10D, yes they removed “clothing and tools”
directly from this AC. However, there is an AC for ARFF equipment, tools
and clothing (150/5210-14B) which specifies among other things,
SCBA’s. This should make such equipment AIP eligible.
Benjamin Vardiman, ACE
Prescott Municipal Airport
Ernest A. Love Field
6546 Crystal Lane
Mary Catherine Tennant, Airport Management Analyst
Prescott Municipal Airport, Ernest A. Love Field
6546 Crystal Lane, Prescott, AZ
Office 928/777-1114, Fax 928/771-5861
Please note as of November 22, 2008 my
email address changed to mc.tennant@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
help-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:help-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robert Grierson
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:25
Subject: Re: CAA: Mutual Help
List, Runway de-icer, ARFF truck equipment questions
DBQ we ran into the same issue with E-36. Our provider cited potash labor
disputes as the primary culprit. The alternative to E-36 wasn't FAA approved
which made us pretty nervous and luckily we didn't need to buy any. Now that
the labor issue has been resolved, we've been told that the price for E-36 will
drop a little, but not to its previous levels. Regretfully, for a 139 airport
in the snow belt, there aren't many options and we have only 5 months until
snow season begins again. Yahoo!
for the FAA on the AC, I hadn't heard that, and although we won't buy a new
ARFF vehicle for a few more years, I'd like to see how this shakes out.
A. Grierson, A.A.E.
>>> <Richard.Stein@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 5/4/2009 8:45 AM
I've been requested to research other airport's
experiences, and get any input, on the following questions:
that snow season is over in central Virginia,
it's time to refill our E-36 deicer fluid tanks. We've used 3,700 gallons
this season. However,
we originally budgeted $8,000 for the refill, but the proposed cost from the
manufacturer is $35,000. We have an alternative fluid that would cost
only $25,000. My Airport
Director would like additional input from other airports to see if anyone else
had this happen to them, along with any
possible solutions to lower the cost, and any explanation of why
the cost jumped so much in one year.
second item is the purchase of a new ARFF truck - which is due to arrive in
July. Originally, various equipment to outfit the truck was
in the older AC for ARFF truck purchases, making them eligible for FAA funding.
Now the FAA is saying that the new AC has
removed the specifications for
the equipment which now makes equipment not AIP eligible. We're planning
on following a middle course of
moving some equipment from truck to truck, but the major purchase is the
airpacks which run about $5K apiece. The change in the AC is
us some problems because we originally budgeted the equipment to be AIP
eligible. I have been asked to research if any other
going through the same issues and how they responded.
Thanks for your help with researching my questions.
Richard M. Stein, A.A.E.
Deputy Airport Director, Operations and Maintenance
Lynchburg Regional Airport
4308 Wards Road, Suite 100
Lynchburg, VA 24502
(434) 239-9027 (fax)